Have you ever noticed the gap that exists between most marketing departments and most sales departments? While they have common goals to increase the revenue of the organization, they’re almost two completely different silos. The fact is that the sales team is (or should be) considered as the internal client of the marketing team.

Unfortunately, many marketers, particularly in large corporations don’t have much empathy for sales people. They often see them as overpaid whiners, who work short hours and get big pay, entertaining clients on expense accounts. Conversely, sales people often see the marketing folks as being out of touch, self-serving and focused on all the wrong things. As in life, the truth always lies somewhere in the middle.

But the cold hard fact is that many marketers have never been in the sales trenches themselves. They’ve never carried a bag, they’ve never done cold calls, had a door slammed in their face and have never had to compete head to head with a competitor – let alone bump into them in the customer’s reception area.

So how can Frontier help? We go on “ride-alongs” with sales people, and have one-on-one conversations, which we record and later get transcribed. We learn about the salesperson’s background, their day to day routines, how they do what they do, and the frustrations they face everyday. We also get their feedback on what works and what doesn’t work “on the battlefield.” In addition, we go out and meet their customers, and talk with them as well. After we get a good cross-section of these conversations done, we compile all the information and knowledge we’ve gathered and sift through it to find the main trends, feedback and themes. We present our findings and recommendations via multimedia to the marketing department which puts a “face” on the sales people in the field, and also brings the “actual” voice of the customer into the room.

In many cases, things that appear to be important to the marketing department really matter very little to the sales people. More importantly, those things also often matter very little to the end customer, who is ultimately buying the company’s services.

There is a huge opportunity to help companies realize their goals when they are willing and able to bridge this gap between sales and marketing. Empathy from both sides and common understanding delivers great payback for both our clients and their customers – both internal and external.

Here is something you can take to the bank: People love to talk about themselves.

As a result, your customers will give you the insight you’re looking for. The problem is – you have to ask them! This is a key issue in that a lot of companies just don’t ask their customers what they think, how they feel, what they want, etc. A lot of people think that market research has to be very complex with long surveys, and thousands of respondents.

Our experience – time and time again – is that you simply need to go out, sit down eye to eye with folks and have a conversation. Of course, you need to have enough conversations to get a good cross-section but in the words of Nike, “just do it!”

For the most part, you’re going to get pretty consistent answers pretty quickly if you actually have a sit-down conversation with people. And ask clarifying questions to get to the root of the issue. For example, “What do you mean when you say that?” or “That’s interesting – can you elaborate a bit more about that?” It’s useful to record the audio of these conversations and then have somebody – who was not involved in the conversations – review the transcripts to identify consistent themes that come out over and over and over again in those conversations.

What we’ve found is that while people have a problem filling out a survey because they don’t get around to it, they see it as a bother, etc. they are often glad (even thankful) to talk with someone from your company if they are approached in a direct, heartfelt conversational style. The approach is the key. When someone calls you with a survey, can’t you tell they’re reading it straight off the paper? No one wants to deal with that!

We’ve covered this theme before in other blog posts but it’s worth repeating over and over; the key to success in service design is to simply talk with your customers. That’s it.